A Pro-Con List on 80/10/10

I consider myself to be raw vegan.  Vegan for the animals and raw vegan for health.

I’ve been looking at 80/10/10 lately and am trying to mimic some of the dishes I see from 80/10/10 followers because they look so simple and clean.  I’m also curious about what 80/10/10 would do to my overall health and performance in getting my strength back from my Multiple Sclerosis episode.  The idea of counting macros seems daunting to me.  Nevertheless, more research and experimentation is required.

I don’t really care for labels or sub-labels, but that’s the way people communicate in society.  Identifying by a label can bring comfort, security, and a sense of belonging.  That’s so important, especially when faced with bullying or adversity, however it can backfire into bullying the bullies.

I’ve seen a lot of bullying across the labels.  Vegans hating on Raw Foodists.  Raw Foodists hating on Raw Vegans.  80/10/10s hating on Vegans.  RawTil4s hating on 80/10/10s.  It’s dizzying!

I asked the following question on social media:

Are you vegan or raw vegan and either love or hate the 80/10/10? Why?

I got many responses and compiled the following lists from them:

The Pro List

  • Seems legit to minimize fats and proteins and maximize carbs.
  • There’s no restriction on intake volume.
  • You can avoid and heal from major diseases.
  • Overall it’s easier and faster to clean the kitchen with less food preparation, no cooking, less dishes to wash, and very little kitchen equipment required.
  • Leftovers can be composted with livestock.
  • Thousands of varieties of produce keep it interesting.
  • Cooking destroys nutrients.
  • Mother nature formats our natural food to 80/10/10.
  • Testimonials from people who have tried it say: they felt their absolute best while on it, it helped overcome health issues, it helped with weight loss, they felt their lives changed for the better, it shows people what it really means to be healthy, happy, and thriving, it cures emotional eating, you feel a natural high every day, it allows a person’s full potential to be unlocked, you are more true to yourself and are better able to deal with life, and it reformats the body and mind towards emotional stability, clear and sharp thinking, and has the whole body running smoothly.

The Con List

  • It’s too hard – not enough willpower.
  • It’s too expensive and requires too much eating/overeating.
  • Fear of restriction and boredom.
  • No desire or motivation to go 80/10/10 – vegan or raw vegan makes me happy.
  • Giving up or reducing salt and fat is too challenging.
  • Requires too much preparation, patience, attention to detail, and planning to the point of obsession.
  • Judgment is harsh from others who haven’t tried it because it seems unhealthy and restrictive.
  • Unlearning lifelong eating habits and emotional eating takes time and is challenging.

The Other List (Didn’t answer the specific question about 80/10/10, but still very interesting points!):

  • Raw vegan and 80/10/10 are not the same.
  • Vegan doesn’t necessarily mean healthy.
  • Not everyone knows what 80/10/10 is even if they are vegan or raw.
  • Vegans and raw vegans mostly agree that raw vegan is optimal for health even if they can’t agree that 80/10/10 is optimal.
  • Vegan is more accessible for the masses over raw vegan or 80/10/10.
  • You have to try and test and see what works best for your body.
  • Mono-fasts like “Banana Island” are not normal or healthy.
  • Marathon runner prefers to eat by feel and does 80/10/10 without exact macro measurements.
  • The word “diet” is a turn-off – if you google 80/10/10, the book is titled “The 80/10/10 Diet.”
  • People would prefer to do more raw or aspire to incorporate more, especially if they didn’t have others in the household to consider like sexy vegan chef husbands who override willpower to stay raw when at home and with vegan children. (Understandable!)
  • Prior favorite foods become disgusting – this is both a pro and a con depending on your perspective.
  • Strong preferences for cooked food are hard to override especially when it gets cold. (Oh I know! Staying raw is hard!)
  • Can’t do 80/10/10 because fructose-intolerant and other allergies. (Not much you can do about that!)
  • High fruit, high oil, and low protein seem to work well for Multiple Sclerosis. (Yes I hear that higher fat is better for MS management, but I also hear that they don’t know what causes it and don’t know how to cure it. So how do they know how to best manage it I wonder? All we can go on is how we feel – and if that works best, might as well go for it!)
  • People feel the raw foodist superiority complex and the better-than mentality that you aren’t “vegan enough” are a real turn off from the vegan/animal rights movement.  (This sounds SO familiar… like when vegan wasn’t as mainstream as it is today and all vegetarians had a “complex.”  Tolerance is lacking – bullying is an issue across the board.)

What do you think about 80/10/10?  Is a whole food plant-based diet enough?

4 thoughts on “A Pro-Con List on 80/10/10”

  1. While some nutrients are oxidized and destroyed at high cooking temperature, there are some nutrients that benefit from a little heating and preparing to be well absorbed in the digestive tract (mostly vegetables, legumes and grains). The human appendix and caecum are not as well developed as some other animals (especially herbivores) which makes it difficult to break down high-fibrous content. Heating breaks down some of the complexity of tougher foods. However, this nutrient loss is usually not a problem if you eat plenty of varied nutrient dense foods and prepare them in other ways (soaking, adding some fat to solve fat-soluble nutrients) mmmm avocado & nuts…
    But those who manage to get their full nutrient scale without cooking can do what like – health is a prio in every matter.

    I have no opinion on what diet is better, I’m just a vegan and I stay away from processed food and cook all of my meals, trying to eat a varied diet. While I have no intention to exclude cooked foods completely (like soups, stews or oatmeal) I do agree that unprocessed, raw and colorful foods should be eaten waaaay more often for our longevity and health! I can’t wait til the burger joints quit their meat, sugar and oil joke of a food.

    1. This is so interesting, Gajana, thank you for sharing!! I have much more to learn about warming and what it does to each sort of food.

  2. Amazing post! I agree with you about all the “dizzying” factions forming within the vegan culture. Distasteful. My only qualm with 80/10/10 is the amount of food required in one meal.

    1. Haha! Oh yes, there is a LOT of food involved and it takes a lot of practice to learn to eat that much at once. Today I actually finished my large salad and I felt so accomplished. Usually the salad wins.

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